None of the current lawsuits appear to be in any way related to the now-fixed drop safety issue and most, if not all of the allegations seem to involve upgraded pistols or those produced after the drop safety problem was identified by SIG. Still waiting. And they think hey have an actual legit lawsuit on their hands? Oct 20, 2022 #36 ; vh20 said: . What I can say is that article reads like a hit piece on the individuals who may or may not of made mistakes with their firearms from someone who worships at the alter of sig. I would trust the intelligence of a Gorilla in a zoo before any one in the Far Right. Thinking its okay to wrap a loaded gun in a towel and toss it into a gym bag is what we get when departments refuse to hire candidates who score too high on IQ tests. They mandate more discharges, with more property damage, more injuries, and more deaths. But SIG Sauer said it has rectified the issue with upgrades, including one made for the U.S. military which court documents, filed as part of one of the lawsuits, show resulted in substantial changes to the weapons internal design. If you can make the trigger move backwards, all bets are off. What a wonderful parody of a MAC cultist! Wow new finger grooves, crazy innovation. The sear cams it back a teeny bit. Remember also that with a handful of notable exceptions, modern firearms do not just go off, no matter what is later claimed by those who may be held responsible. Liberal, Conservative. The Nightline segment includes an interview with Major Peter Villani, an expert (paid) witness for Hilton. Keep the phrase legal momentum in mind. The suit mirrors lawsuits filed across the country involving the semi-automatic gun known as the P320. They've also been adopted as duty guns by law enforcement agencies across the country. If the P320 was so great then why did special forces go to the Glock 19? . While it seems that I have a preference for battle ships, The Romulans had Warbirds. Fine. I was tempted to buy one at one time but no more. And then theres Gunter Walker, a civilian, who says his P320 fired on its ownwhen he placed the weapon down on his nightstand, shooting him through the palm of his left hand.. The latest of these suits was filed last week in US District Court in Massachusetts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, Simply put, the P320 is not safe and the lawsuits arent frivolous. Not just police in US had issues with sig p320. These officers are not gunfighters. Sig P320 is just one of many pistols with Safety related. Going on Sigs reputation I bought a P320. Later when he was driving he shifted his weight and this caused the trigger to be pushed back further and it went off and shot him and the bullet then also blew a big hole in the floor board of this truck. They did, however, note that when they were contacted by ABC, the company pointed out specific circumstances that were subsequently uncovered in the investigations of a number of these incidents. A holstered base P320 allegedly had a mysterious accidental discharge without pulling the trigger. Asking for a friend. LOL! The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. The second, longer version of the ABC story again included comments from Joshua Harrison, the consultant ABC hired to independently assess the P320. Picard if Im limited to NCC-1701. No you haters are not smarter than the US military, who tested the P320 far more than your favorite YouTuber ever did. Remember the highly trained FBI officer whose gun went off in a nightclub? Its just dumb enough to sound like the plot to a damned Disney film. Excellent work. brakes, remember? Notify me of follow-up comments by email. TTAG talked to Bagnell, who told us that he wants it to be known that he is not anti-gun and doesnt want to see more gun control laws in this country. This highly trained Fibbie was doing flips while dancing (breakdancing? Have you ever put a handgun down with your palm in front of the muzzle? Depending on who you talk to you will get many different answers. The SIG will be the shortest military contract for guns in history. Sig started out rough, but a lot of agencies have decided that their modular chassis system is the way of the future. Everyone knows Glocks are the absolute pinnacle of perfection and have never had one single defect ever! Right up front, the use of an ill-fitting/improper-for-the-gun holster instantly negates any idea of an unintended discharge being the fault of the design. Sig Sauer P220 Super Match. The military is much smarter and no, the gun is not junk. Frankly, I think that ship is the best looking sci-fi ship design ever, with the Excelsior a very close second. While this incident occurred months ago, this erroneous media report is driven by multiple sources, including our competitors, and coincides with the imminent release of other Canadian military and law enforcement tenders, indicating the timing of its release is an attempt to improperly influence the procurements, the statement said. The incidents occur outside the forbidden zone, as we disarm before we enter so we stay in assiduous compliance with their nonsensical requirement. I think in the end even if there is no mechanical defect (dont hold your breath) it will be found that the Sig is causing accidental discharges for the same reason the Glock does, because if you snag the trigger on the Sig model that does not have a manual safety (some do) the gun will accidentally fire. He points to it in the video. How many times does a pistol have to malfunction before you blame it? Everyone remembers the problems the Beretta M9 had, but it got sorted and they went on to serve over 30 years. And it doesnt take too much Googling to find plenty of reports of LEOs suing the Georgia company as well (see here, here, here, and here for just a few). SIG just cannot seem to make a striker fired pistol that doesnt have issues. Where is this lightning striking twice? At this point I would have to say that Taurus is a better handgun. No picture for me. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. People who know how to handle guns prudently and safely. These cops seem pretty dang stupid if they put loaded guns in gym bags and purses with other stuff and carry them around, especially a gun that lacks manual safeties. So your fanboy perjorative falls not only flat but false. The P320s and P365s were junk, plain and simple. Just because someone shoots hyper-unrealistic 3 gun competition, subscribes to Recoil magazine and routinely watches their fave rave YouTube cult of personality channel shill for the latest company that paid him off doesnt make them a [emailprotected]$$. If it were a lowered tier manufacturer like a Taurus having allegations made against them, people would run with it without thinking twice. Get a dead trigger when the striker breaks. It seems safe to assume that while SIG is coming up fast on the outside, GLOCK is still most likely the reigning champ in terms of the firearms most often carried by law enforcement and other government agencies. The claimed mode of failure was that the tab on the drop safety that interferes with the striker movement had been sheered off and stopped being a drop safety. Its interesting that ABC chose to leave that point out of one of their reports. Its a novelty, its got issues! It isnt the beginner woodworker who loses fingers. I wouldnt be surprised if she did it intentionally, she clearly suffers from a serious case of media whoring. Period. According to Section 22.05 of the Texas Penal Code, engaging in deadly conduct with a firearm is considered a felony of the third degree. This subject has two prongs; One is the negligence of those who have shot themselves with 320s through violations of Rule 2, the other the possible mechanical design failing of the gun. Legal Penalties. Even if it was an issue with the sear interface, there is still a firing pin safety that will not move unless the trigger is held firmly to the rear. TAMPA, Fla., July 27, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- A 30-year veteran law enforcement officer with the Tampa Police Department (TPD) today filed a lawsuit against Sig Sauer, Inc., the maker of his. The networks report didnt mention lawsuits filed by LEOs (or anyone else) against other gun makers claiming similar alleged design defects. There are tens of millions of gun owners, far more than there are cops, and the VAST majority of those folks buy their guns and drop them a nightstand drawer or up on a closet shelf and leave it until theyre needed. MIM strikers made in India and put into Sigs. He was told to shoot two rounds. This is why we now have back up safeties on garden tractors and riding lawn mowers. The SIG P320, which has been manufactured since 2014, is known to go off without the trigger being pulled if it's dropped and lands on the ground at a certain angle. The heads up testing was immediately finished the Sig was the winner. When a consumer product is likely to be operated in such a way that it causes accidents because it is way too easy to make a serious mistake because of human error when operating it the manufactures are told that the machine must be made safer. If the gangster greed monger criminal Capitalvanians in the gun industry had their products under the jurisdiction of the consumer safety administration all the newer striker fired guns would never have been allowed on the market unless they had manual safeties and a safe take down system. The U.S. manufacturer went a step further in its statement Friday, stating without evidence or attribution, that the timing of the article was intended to undercut its chances in the federal governments upcoming bid to replace all of the handguns in both the military and RCMP. Carrying a handgun in a purse, particularly one that isnt designed specifically to carry a firearm, is problematic at best. I mean hey, yelling about firearms preferences online is no more productive than discussing nerdy Star Trek stuff, is it? First off, no joke on me. Whether or not the suits have merit. Now when you lose your grip on lawn mowers or snow blowers they will not keep travelling foreword all by themselves. . No Warp core, just a quantum singularity, The engine was basically a dorm fridge. Search Texas Statutes. The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. If you did the same with a Glock or an M&P without the thumb safeties, youd get the same result. The 1911 had one added, the FN 1905 had one added in 1906. Happy with my old S&W revolvers, 3rd Gen S&W pistols,1911s and a slew of P226s. Trust a P365 with your life. I still own them all. Holding the striker fully cocked with nothing to block it if the sear fails is questionable at best. When he opened the drawer the hinges pulled the Charters trigger. https://apis.mail.yahoo.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-iN4Wr8P_P2lGU6m2M5Rd8F6tVxyeeWdzleA_0eUoKjB0wER5wbVU_ouLj3uKCvLmUWhjIv2uHVC2R0Wv8Q9VgQ/messages/@.id==AMxkWSMoHX4bYSzMKA0AINojDH4/content/parts/@.id==2/refresh?appid=YMailNorrinLaunch&ymreqid=ae6c4f7d-acdd-ffa3-1c80-d70000011c00. Thats fine. If they recruit smart cops, they wont have cops who will act against their political opponents outside of the constitution. Just 3 days ago, a Florida Corrections recruit killed herself by a negligent discharge during firearms training. You did get to sit and watch it with him, which leads to a serious question. 2) The p320 does have a half cocked notch. Theyre the only product that is not. Too expensive to use their customers as beta testers. Its difficult to believe thats a coincidence. These lawsuits ARE about SIG making defective weapons. On Nov. 5, 2020, a recently-purchased SIG Sauer P320 pistol went off unexpectedly at a training range in Dwyer Hill, outside of Ottawa. It did not originally have this. The probable reason that some folks are saying that the P320 is unsafe is that there was a lawsuit filed in federal court in July of 2020 (Guay v. Sig Sauer) alleging that the 320 fired "un-commanded" without a trigger pull while in a holster. Quit blaming cops or the military, these guns have a serious problem. A fine of up to $10,000. three changes to the original design. The P320 pistol is a dog. Ironic that the trendsetters of yesteryear are trying to tear down the innovator of today because its Not perfected yet! and the Design isnt worked out!. Its not happening on your person without some catastrophic event. 2. I own Serpa holsters in multiple configurations (1911, Beretta 96, H&K, Springfield, etc) for most of the time theyve been around and I NEVER had an ND. Harrison responded, No, I dont think the upgraded version should be recalled, in fact I think the previous version should be recalled so that everyone has the upgraded version.. Yesterday, a Canadian news outlet, CBC News, published a story regarding the unintended discharge last year of a SIG P320 by a Canadian Special Operator, resulting in injury and his unit withdrawing the pistol from service. Canadian soldier wounded by accidental discharge used wrong holster: SIG Sauer is the manual safety a kit you add? Police officers (maybe) do an annual qualification and thats it. ABC ran their story on the P320 twice, but with some significant differences between the two reports. Bagnell also represented Virginia Sheriffs Deputy Marcie Vadnais who sued SIG when she said her P320 went off on its own when she was removing the weapon from her belt. Vadnais was featured in the Nightline version of ABCs report. Bagnells and other lawsuits ABC claims at least 54 discharges and 10 suits against SIG describe instances of P320s going off dating back to 2016, prior to the upgrade. This will include an alternate design that reduces the physical weight of the trigger, sear, and striker while additionally adding a mechanical disconnector. I also have a manual safety. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM About $300. Then Weve got to go 9mm Nato. And hasnt been nothing but looking for the holy grail since.